"there isnt that much backing co2 lead climate change"

[roberte]

Originally Posted by FAADAN

I do know that none of the gloom and doom predictions that I have heard over the last 20 or so years have come to pass.

If you are being feed soundbites, then you are probably correct. Inhofe, et al, however takes the 5% chance worst case scenario and then shows how the prediction wasn't met.

Ignoring the 95% probability one.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/patr...ient-data.html

'Course, when you start out with incomplete data your memory would be a bit less than accurate......

[roberte]

You ask for my qualifications, yet, we note, you nor Silverbeard don't offer up yours..... Yet you feel entirely competent to tell us why the IPCC reports aren't valid.

[Silverbeard]

Originally Posted by roberte

You ask for my qualifications, yet, we note, you nor Silverbeard don't offer up yours..... Yet you feel entirely competent to tell us why the IPCC reports aren't valid.

Well i did link some of the many who worked with the IPCC and talked of their bias. Let alone i read their work, the bias rings clear. Even taking the handful of studies at face value that claim to prove co2 drives climate, their down playing of other factors alters all the predictions greatly.

Heck you posted a chart the other day from the IPCC showing various contributors to rising temps since 1750 except they forgot to list the little iceage we emerged from. which accounts for much or even most of the rise by itself.

[roberte]

Originally Posted by Silverbeard

Well i did link some of the many who worked with the IPCC and talked of their bias. Let alone i read their work, the bias rings clear. Even taking the handful of studies at face value that claim to prove co2 drives climate, their down playing of other factors alters all the predictions greatly.

Heck you posted a chart the other day from the IPCC showing various contributors to rising temps since 1750 except they forgot to list the little iceage we emerged from. which accounts for much or even most of the rise by itself.

ipse dixit........

Now, IF you could show how the IPCC "forgot to list..." and SHOW the "bias".......

Your "handful of studies" is basically 150 years of research, thousands of scientists studying multiple lines of research, data from every continent spanning thousands of years.

I'm not really sure you actually have any data that supports your various claims.

[Silverbeard]

Nope sorry... there are only a handful of studies claiming to actually prove co2 drives climate at these levels. the rest is based on those being true. Ive read them. I dug up the source data. disagree all you like but I didnt make my mind up based on some site I read or for that matter the claims of a political organization that just as easily could have weighted the other climatic drivers as the lead causes (which past work shows they are more then capable of accounting for our changes) and gave co2 a tiny role they gave some of the naturally occurring drivers.

interesting how you ignored their chart that forgot the ending of the last little iceage..

As for saying I have no data to back my "claims"... well the bulk of them I did support with a fraction of the available data. Like those who worked with the IPCC and found them lacking, or a handful of the many aspects they downplayed that I showed data for. and on and on and on...

FEEL FREE TO POST INDIVIDUAL STUDIES SHOWING CO@ DRIVES CLIMATE. you will find many fewer then you believe. heck you want me to prove them wrong just because I said that is my assessment after looking at the source data, and you cant even post a few? you claim we have 150 years of data, and thousands of sources.. so post individual ones. It should be really easy.

Or is this some ipse dixit from you? I sure never found them when literally looking to PROVE co2 lead the climate when I first started my search. there are only a handful that even claim it, and they are weak and cherry picked. Prove me wrong... dig them out... Or is this more handwaving??

[roberte]

Originally Posted by Silverbeard

Nope sorry... there are only a handful of studies claiming to actually prove co2 drives climate at these levels

And those are?

Or, failing that, what research can you bring to the table that disproves the IPCC analysis?

[Silverbeard]

Ive already posted some on that. Much more before you showed up. You ignored it at the time and keep asking for it as if I didnt.

Feel free to post some of this vast wealth of work proving co2 drives climate. the way you talk this should be easy. individual works. you want me to write books showing these works are wrong and you cant even post individual works on what you think is a settled case?

Very telling. and funny. I will be waiting... im not even asking you to write books proving they are true.... just post some of the individual works proving co2 drives climate.... there are only a handful the rest is based on those cherry picked works being true....

[FAADAN]

Originally Posted by roberte

You ask for my qualifications, yet, we note, you nor Silverbeard don't offer up yours..... Yet you feel entirely competent to tell us why the IPCC reports aren't valid.

I told you mine, I have an engineering degree, a broad wealth of work experience and travel around the world, and 60 odd years of life to look back on. I have, over those years, developed critical thinking and decision making skills, an ability to evaluate what I see around me and, a healthy skepticism for what others say.

[Silverbeard]

Wait a second here faadan... you didnt base your opinions on what I said?

I totally thought everyone here based most of their opinions on mine...

Any time your willing to start posting individual studies proving co2 drives climate roberte... i will be waiting...

surely you can post 15 out of the last 150 years right? that should be easy. you claim the debate is settled, 15 studies from different people should be a solid leg to stand on.... Or will we get some hand waving??? one per decade... that should be super easy... heck shoot for 10... one per 15 years...

[FAADAN]

Originally Posted by Silverbeard

Wait a second here faadan... you didnt base your opinions on what I said?

I totally thought everyone here based most of their opinions on mine...

Any time your willing to start posting individual studies proving co2 drives climate roberte... i will be waiting...

surely you can post 15 out of the last 150 years right? that should be easy. you claim the debate is settled, 15 studies from different people should be a solid leg to stand on.... Or will we get some hand waving??? one per decade... that should be super easy... heck shoot for 10... one per 15 years...

Sorry, I was torn between your opinion and my wife's and she's a lot closer.