just watch!

redneckplanter · November 7th, 2009, 08:06 AM

in a few months the current regime.......
errrr i mean administration will pass new laws that forbid criticism of the
monarch.
you will no longer be able to criticize ogangsta or his minions/
think it might happen?

silverseeds · November 7th, 2009, 08:13 AM

Heck I think bush already gave us laws along those lines..... In a matter of interpretation.

Anyone can be labeled a terorist. And due to some presidential directives, or whateve it is caled when a prez makes a law bypssing congress, which is suppoosedly only for emergencies, wel anyway, all any prz needs to declare martial aw, and sieze porperty or anything else is a national "emergency" which was already declared with this flu I belive. He could suspend congress. NOW.

The patriot act allows them to keep you helpd without charges unil they cedie they like to charge you, or just the rest of your life if thy want....

Also lets the search your house even while your gone even without ever telling you.....

We really do liv in a police state. We might be in trouble if we dont demand someof these things be changed, BEFORE they actually use them...... Please rad the bizarre quo thread it is not one side or the othe, would not be possible without both working together....

gulfcoastguy · November 7th, 2009, 08:58 AM

Well you are allready not going to hear the such on MSNBC or CNN at least without the words "right wing extremists" attached to it.

chickweed · November 7th, 2009, 09:05 AM

Me - pulling the covers over my head and hiding from reality! My big mouth is going to get me sooo busted!

lorna-organic · November 7th, 2009, 03:50 PM

I agree with Silver. It has already been done.

uprooted_kentuckian · November 7th, 2009, 04:44 PM

No it hasn't, or I guess you can list the laws you are referring to.

silverseeds · November 7th, 2009, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uprooted_kentuckian

No it hasn't, or I guess you can list the laws you are referring to.

yes I can, but I forget them now. I WILL get back to you. It was a presidential order, I forget the number. the other parts wer ein the patriot act...... get back to you this evening, when I have time to look it up, unless someone else posts it by then....

uprooted_kentuckian · November 7th, 2009, 04:54 PM

ok, fair enough

silverseeds · November 7th, 2009, 05:09 PM

National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...tial_Directive

Okay before this CONGRESS had to declare an emergency, at that point the prez and fema would be basicaly dictators. IF they choose. Point being they alone would have power over the whole country.

where this particular directive gets real messed up is, just that, bush just signed this into law himself.... think of that a president signs into law something that makes him dictator without ANY oversight. residents have this power with the idea that it is a emergency type thing. Now I mean if our country is being invaded okay, I can see bypassing congress for awhile, but all that needs to happen is a loosely defined set of circumstances, having a national emergency declared, and then the president can if he chooses become the governent. This directive, created by the bush2, claims that the president has the power to declare a catastrophic emergency. It does not specify who has the power to declare the emergency over.

So all we have to have happen is any loosel defined national emergency, and the standing president, obama, or whoever folows him can declare themselves and a few other positions the rulers.

Keep in mind bush did this of his own accord. Besides any secret governemnt behind the scenes. If you dont belive that exists, then that means one person, bush, made by himself a law that allows a group selected by the prez to lead, in theory indefinately....

Youll have to read the patriot act for the other parts of my opriginal post....

tweed · November 7th, 2009, 07:02 PM

As long as Chris Matthews gets a thrill up his leg, shouldn't all be good?

Steve

November 7th, 2009, 08:06 AM	#1
redneckplanter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: tx USDA Zone: 9a Posts: 8,339	just watch! in a few months the current regime....... errrr i mean administration will pass new laws that forbid criticism of the monarch. you will no longer be able to criticize ogangsta or his minions/ think it might happen? __________________ playing with porch punkins.....lol

November 7th, 2009, 08:13 AM	#2
silverseeds Grow your own! Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: High desert New Mexico USDA Zone: No zone info Posts: 6,933	Re: just watch! Heck I think bush already gave us laws along those lines..... In a matter of interpretation. Anyone can be labeled a terorist. And due to some presidential directives, or whateve it is caled when a prez makes a law bypssing congress, which is suppoosedly only for emergencies, wel anyway, all any prz needs to declare martial aw, and sieze porperty or anything else is a national "emergency" which was already declared with this flu I belive. He could suspend congress. NOW. The patriot act allows them to keep you helpd without charges unil they cedie they like to charge you, or just the rest of your life if thy want.... Also lets the search your house even while your gone even without ever telling you..... We really do liv in a police state. We might be in trouble if we dont demand someof these things be changed, BEFORE they actually use them...... Please rad the bizarre quo thread it is not one side or the othe, would not be possible without both working together.... __________________ Plant breeding, and learning to account for variables in a given location, offer us our best hope at feeding ourselves in truly sustainable ways. We have the knowledge, and tools. What if the ways we farmed built soil, and water tables instead of draining them? Leaving an oasis in our wake rather then deserts.

November 7th, 2009, 08:58 AM	#3
gulfcoastguy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ocean Springs, MS gulfcoast Posts: 2,141	Re: just watch! Well you are allready not going to hear the such on MSNBC or CNN at least without the words "right wing extremists" attached to it.

November 7th, 2009, 09:05 AM	#4
chickweed Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: middle peninsula of va USDA Zone: 7b Posts: 7,700	Re: just watch! Me - pulling the covers over my head and hiding from reality! My big mouth is going to get me sooo busted! __________________ "two tears in a bucket"....... And harm ye none, so mote it be.....

November 7th, 2009, 03:50 PM	#5
lorna-organic Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central New Mexico USDA Zone: 7b Posts: 18,433	Re: just watch! I agree with Silver. It has already been done. __________________ Lorna Boycott Land O Lakes products because they lobby for GM alfalfa. Boycott Monsanto, Bayer, Syngenta, BASF, Dow, DuPont, Scotts. Scotts is the sole licensed U.S. distributor of Monsanto's RoundUp. MiracleGro is owned by Scotts.

November 7th, 2009, 04:44 PM	#6
uprooted_kentuckian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Outside Savannah Georgia USDA Zone: 8b Posts: 7,847	Re: just watch! No it hasn't, or I guess you can list the laws you are referring to. __________________ . . "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” Thomas Jefferson[Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781]

November 7th, 2009, 04:54 PM	#8
uprooted_kentuckian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Outside Savannah Georgia USDA Zone: 8b Posts: 7,847	Re: just watch! ok, fair enough __________________ . . "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” Thomas Jefferson[Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781]

November 7th, 2009, 05:09 PM	#9
silverseeds Grow your own! Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: High desert New Mexico USDA Zone: No zone info Posts: 6,933	Re: just watch! National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...tial_Directive Okay before this CONGRESS had to declare an emergency, at that point the prez and fema would be basicaly dictators. IF they choose. Point being they alone would have power over the whole country. where this particular directive gets real messed up is, just that, bush just signed this into law himself.... think of that a president signs into law something that makes him dictator without ANY oversight. residents have this power with the idea that it is a emergency type thing. Now I mean if our country is being invaded okay, I can see bypassing congress for awhile, but all that needs to happen is a loosely defined set of circumstances, having a national emergency declared, and then the president can if he chooses become the governent. This directive, created by the bush2, claims that the president has the power to declare a catastrophic emergency. It does not specify who has the power to declare the emergency over. So all we have to have happen is any loosel defined national emergency, and the standing president, obama, or whoever folows him can declare themselves and a few other positions the rulers. Keep in mind bush did this of his own accord. Besides any secret governemnt behind the scenes. If you dont belive that exists, then that means one person, bush, made by himself a law that allows a group selected by the prez to lead, in theory indefinately.... Youll have to read the patriot act for the other parts of my opriginal post.... __________________ Plant breeding, and learning to account for variables in a given location, offer us our best hope at feeding ourselves in truly sustainable ways. We have the knowledge, and tools. What if the ways we farmed built soil, and water tables instead of draining them? Leaving an oasis in our wake rather then deserts.

November 7th, 2009, 07:02 PM	#10
tweed Irish in Appalachia Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: N.C. USDA Zone: 6b Posts: 6,935	Re: just watch! As long as Chris Matthews gets a thrill up his leg, shouldn't all be good? Steve